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--Oursana (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

after this edit, explaining commons policy you did continue overwriting 16 files, please revert--Oursana (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Please do not overwrite files

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I noticed that you uploaded a file using the name File:Attributed to Bernardino da Asola - The Madonna and Child - Google Art Project.jpg. A file by this name already existed on Commons. Overwriting an existing file should not be done except when making minor, uncontroversial corrections, so the file has been restored to its previous version. If the file that you attempted to upload is within our project scope and is in the public domain or published under a free license, please upload it again under a different name. Thank you. For more information, please see Commons:Overwriting files.

- Revent^talk 22:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Just to make it very clear, I'm not attempting to say that your versions are not 'better', merely that they are not minor changes. Such overwrites of artworks with color-corrected versions have been very controversial on Commons in the past, and so you should simply upload your version as a new file, and link it as a 'derivative work' of the original (see {{Derivative versions}}, and {{Derived from}}). This allows re-users to choose which version they prefer, instead of forcing the decision. - Revent^talk 22:29, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note explaining Wikimedia's policies about overwriting files. It's an unfortunate policy in my view. You've probably heard this before but I'm sure the original artists would be insulted that their art is being represented by images that mainly show how poorly their work has been conserved. (varnish yellowing, soot damage, poor lighting, bad camera technique) Especially these days when we have digital tools that allow us to mitigate some of the degradation the artwork has suffered -- so that the image can more closely represent the artists intent and not the yellow tinged perversion that most of us associate with older artwork. Having worked at National Geographic Magazine photo lab for 30+ years, I have a fair grasp of photography, image retouching and color correcting -- in all those years I have never met a professional photographer who feels the exposure captured by the camera is an accurate representation of the scene and should be published without adjustments. So saying the original capture is somehow sacrosanct is just silly. A camera isn't an eye. Sorry for the mini-rant but, as maybe you can tell, color is a passion of mine and seeing it mangled so badly turns my stomach. To me, it does a disservice to the artist, and the public for that matter, to represent the degraded images as their artwork -- since they *obviously* aren't.

So, while I will respect WikiMedia's policy about overwriting files in the future, I certainly don't endorse it.

If you have a second, a quick question: You suggested some templates or links I might use to publish my "versions" -- I'm relatively new to editing Wiki pages and not familiar with these. Would you point me to tutorials?

Thanks for your time and help. I do appreciate it. Pixel8tor (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

It's not that I don't, in principle, agree, it's that such choices (how, exactly, to adjust the colors) are subjective, and so the community has chosen to offer all the versions, and allow reusers to choose. Instead of overwriting the existing files, you should upload your versions under new filenames, and then edit the other wikis where they are used to point at your new file. Also, many of the files that you overwrote are attributed to very specific sources (such as the Yorck Project, Web Gallery of Art, or Google Art Project) and should continue to reflect the exact version provided by that attributed source. One major reason for this is that editing the images creates a en:generation loss, and other people that wish to do their own retouching work should start with the original files.

As a practical measure, the policy about not overwriting files with major changes is intended to help avoid disruptive upload warring about whose version is 'better', which has been a repeated problem many times in the past.

There is not, afaik, any explicit tutorial, but you should simply use {{Derived from|Example.jpg}}, with the correct link, as the indicated source when uploading a new version, and then add {{derivative versions|derivative.jpg}} to the 'other versions' field in the information template on the file page of the source image.

File:OPEC01.jpg and File:OPEC headquarters.jpg are an example of this, though not 'art'. - Revent^talk 16:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again for helping out a newbie. I've tried to follow your instructions. Would you mind looking over these pages and let me know if I've missed anything in the execution? Orig:File:Diego_Velázquez_016.jpg -- Derived:File:Diego_Velázquez_016_FXD.jpg Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixel8tor (talk • contribs) 21:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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File:Philippe Chaperon - RigolettoFXD.jpg

Just as a heads up, I finally went back and finished the restoration on the underlying image.

I like your colour edit a lot; I just don't like changing colours on Gallica files, as they seem to have pretty good colour fidelity. But that's why there's room for both: Yours is more likely to be how it was back then, mine is probably nearer the current colours, sans the poor treatment it got. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Pixel8tor. There is a discussion on the talk page of template:Artwork, that might interest you. It is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Artwork#Use_of_parameter_%22other_versions%22. Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi again. Thank you for making some neat "other versions". But I still need your support on the issue. Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 04:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, when you make edited copies of pictures, please do not copy assessment templates like "Fetured picture" to you version. Only the original has been through the assessment process and deemed suitable for FP. I've corrected some of them now ( [1] [2] [3] [4] ), but if you know you have done this on other photos, please remove the 'Featured', 'POTD', etc. templates and categories. Thanks, --Cart (talk) 11:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections. I've tried to pay attention to this, but obviously not enough. Sorry. Is there an easy way for me to check this myself? How do you do it? Thanks again. Pixel8tor (talk) 19:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

One easy way is to, once you have added all info and stuff to the new file, open the whole page in an editing window and do a regular browser search of the page for the words "featured", "quality" and "assessment". Check in what context these show up and remove templates and categories for such things. I discovered your copies when I was looking for other photos in some of the Featured pictures categories. Since there is only supposed to be one of each, I took a look at them. --Cart (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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Killarnee, thanks for the heads-up . . . it's fixed. Pixel8tor (talk) 20:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads-up. It's fixed! Pixel8tor (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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I disagree with this assessment. I don't see where it's "Heavily degraded". Can you point out where. And as for "does not respect the original colors", how do you know the original colors? The contrast and color are better than File:Ca' Rezzonico Sala Lazzarini - Ercole e Onfale - Antonio Bellucci.jpg Do you imagine an artist would paint such a dull image? Are you just jealous that it looks better than what you uploaded? Pixel8tor (talk) 19:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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MenkinAlRire (talk) 12:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pixel8tor Hi. I am keen to learn how you came about to "fix" the colors of all these paintings. What is the idea behind. I suppose you believe you can somehow reconstruct the original, the "real" appeararence of these works; maybe you take a whitepoint from somewhere in the picture, a white highlight that you set to be neutral; or you uncover the pictures by removing the yellowish varnish by reducing the yellow; or you go for the skin tone... I don't know. I have to admit they look really crisp.

Apart from the question, what your guidelines are and how you achieve your version, you might allow me to take an example and explain why your work is a delusion and may be rather an irritation for some users than a 'clarification', a recovering of the real thing.

Take [:File:Albrecht Dürer - Portrait of Dürer's Father at 70FXD.jpg Portrait of Dürer's Father at 70]. At first the man himself looks really good, particularly the skin tone, and also his coat. But if you look closer you'll see many red lines and reddish parts that seem to be a bit too much, the eyes for example, while the red cheeks and the red nose make him appear to be a bit of a drinker.

The highlights of the hair are obviously blue now, as the dark parts of the hair too appear to be blueish. I hope we can agree, that except for really dark blackish sorts seen in a shadow, hair usually does not reflect blue light. The setting has no identifyable light source, and noone can simply expect it to be a window with day light rather than candles or an oil lamp.

Apart from that the background color is nice, but also unreal. It might look like a creatively painted wall from today, but doesn't seem to fit into a 16th ct. northern European environment. The background is probably meant to be neutral to harmonise with the figure and emphasise it. On the [website of the National Gallery] it is stated, that a color like this was not ever used by Dürer himself (he always used a black background or a window setting). In this presumed copy now the background was applied in one single thick layer of paint. One can expect it to be monochrome, instead of seemingly washed on with such an uneven thickness and pigmentation, like it appears in your version; particularly the streaks around the figure's contours are too obvious to fit the accomplished portrait. The background has the flair of a sketch now, something done very quickly. That is obviously not the case. By removing yellow the homogenous background color fell apart.

Following the text on the NG page, there is "an inventory description of 1639, where the sitter is described as having a black cap, and ‘a dark yellow gown wherein his hands are hidden in the wide sleeves painted upon a reddish ground all crack’t.’" The cracks are restored.

In the English language of the UK they certtainly would have found a more appropriate adjective to describe this now more violet or pink color than just "reddish", since it would have been very uncommon then. The coat in the pristine reproduction of the painting might not be as "dark yellow" as when it was described in the 17th ct., but it shows exactly how it appears today.

But now let me describe shortly what is the main point of my objection to your interpretation of the paintings. It is true that the oil used as a binder and an often applied varnish are the main causes for the yellowing of older paintings, since the components react to light in this way. This painting I took as an example is about 400 years old. Beside the varnish and/or the binding oil itself, some considerable amount of dirt has accumulated on the surface and bonded with the varnish. Dirt tends to be rather grey or even black, often for a huge part caused by the smut of candles and open fire.

You cannot assume that nothing else has changed with the painting. Although restorations (like that of the frescoes in the Sistine Chapel for example) have recovered a splendour of perfectly preserved colors under the grime of the centuries, it seems. There is lot of chemical reactions going on over the centuries, you can't take into account in a simple way. There is variable deterioration and color shifts with particular pigments (Take for example the ugly greenish skin tones in some frescoes of the 14th ct.) I am have no specific clue about these reactions, and I presume, neither have you. So I conclude by repeating: your sort of 'restoration', your "fix" is a misguided illusion, and it doesn't help anything but to irritate people. You have to accept the works of art as they are right now and wait for a restoration by experts. Their achievements might satisfy you either, but it is as far as we can rolling back the years.

Thank you for reading and reflecting upon it. I would like to hear from you and discuss your approach. MenkinAlRire (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at my adjusted images. While I do agree with some of your comments, overall I must say you sound very arrogant. If you find them objectionable you are free to ignore them. Thanks for your time. Pixel8tor (talk) 20:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Wow, arrogant, I didn't see that coming. Maybe my wording is not so well tuned in English. But I understand when my 'judgement' on your work you spend much time on seems too direct and harsh. I should have been restraint and more friendly on that part. I am sorry about that, I didn't intent to hurt your feelings.

I specifically took an example to be able to describe the what and why, to illustrate my concerns. And sure, it would be easier for me to ignore your versions... but I come across them all the time searching for a good reproduction of a work and I always have to think about them. That's why I finally decided to adress you personally. The significant difference to all the small, blurry and false colored reproductions is that you put effort and time in yours, and, sincerly, it concerns me.

Still I would like to discuss your method of digital restoration with you. You must have some good arguments, since you do it systematically. And you certainly have skills, that I would argue, would be better invested in really problematic images, where there is no better reproduction available. But, ok, maybe it is just my personal quarrel and I am alone with my view. Again, I apologize. MenkinAlRire (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Apology accepted. And yes, I consider requesting a take-down for *your* opinion to be quite an arrogant move! I can't tell if you're trolling me or what. If there's something I can help you with, ask. And of course you are always free to produce your own versions. Okay, unless you have something constructive, this will be my last post on this subject. Please take a hint. Pixel8tor (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)