Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives November 24 2023

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Consensual review

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File:Confluence_de_l'Arve_et_du_Rhône.jpg

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  • Nomination La confluence de l'Arve dans le Rhône à Genève en octobre 2023. --Espandero 20:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Promotion
    Large parts of this are not very sharp, it's slightly tilted, and the mountains in the background are looking unnaturally blue. --Plozessor 04:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
    I tried something but I'm not sure I can fix the sharpness of the right part of the picture. Let me know. - Espandero 17:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
     Oppose Sorry but I think we can't make this a QI, it is too blurry and also the colors are not natural. --Plozessor 13:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
    Plozessor: which of the colours? The mountains in the background are really far away so to me it's normal that they're not as colorful as the rest. For the blurry parts I guess if I make the file as big as a normal picture (so not a panorama but more like this file) the quality should be sufficient enough to make it QI. I tried uploading a new version and I'd be grateful if you could check it out. Thanks, Espandero 20:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
    Sharpness still doesn't look good in full resolution, but reduced to 4 MP it's halfway acceptable. However, the mountains in the background are still blue (#96b9f1) - unless those are special mountains full of blue trees, this is unnatural because usually there are trees and trees and mostly green, not blue. Also, the picture is still a bit tilted (you see that the buildings are tilted outwards). --Plozessor 05:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
     Info Reset to "/Decline". Please change to "/Discuss" if you wish to challenge the opposing vote, not to "/Nomination". --Robert Flogaus-Faust 18:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
    Plozessor I can work on the tilt but the background is what it is. I'm not going to colour it green because it would be artificial. The default value (without any Lightroom setting) is #78A3D7. The hill is about 19 km away from the point of view. Given that it was not a perfect sunny day it feels normal to me to not have perfect colours on objects far away. This is a feature I'm used to in my pictures and I don't see any way of cleaning up. I'm seeing similar things on files you made (1) so it seems it's not a problem from my camera or settings. I would rather suggest it's because of dust in the air and atmospheric conditions in general. Thank you for your time anyway. - Espandero 14:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support IMHO this looks good enough for such an image. --Robert Flogaus-Faust 12:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support looks good enough. --Kiwiz1338 11:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support I'll respect the photographer on the white balance. Otherwise, the photo is way more than acceptable, and interesting to boot. -- Ikan Kekek 21:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --C messier 17:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

File:In_memory_of_fallen_soldiers._Kyiv,_Ukraine.jpg

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  • Nomination In memory of fallen soldiers. Kyiv, Ukraine --Ввласенко 20:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Decline
     Oppose Image seems underexposed, especially the sky. --Jay.Jarosz 15:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
    ✓ Done New treatment -- Ввласенко 10:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment I'm not seeing much of a difference unfortunately :/ Overall the image could still use an exposure bump. Then on the sky specifically, increase saturation or decrease warmth and increase whites --Jay.Jarosz 04:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment Thank you for your advice, but I'm satisfied with the image. -- Ввласенко 07:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
     Info Reset to "/Decline". Please do not change images with votes back to "/Nomination". If you wish to challenge the opposing vote, please change "/Decline" to "/Discuss" to send the photo to consensual review. --Robert Flogaus-Faust 18:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment What are you talking about?-- Ввласенко 12:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment If a picture has been declined, you are not allowed to reset it to "nomination". If you want to object the decline, you can set it to "discuss". --Plozessor 15:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment You accuse me of something I didn't do.-- Ввласенко 16:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
     Comment No one accused YOU of anything. Someone (might as well have been someone else or even a technical error) seemingly reset this from "Declined" to "Nomination", and we explained that this is not allowed. --Plozessor 17:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Comment @Robert Flogaus-Faust, Plozessor, and Ввласенко: This may be due to a bug in QICVote. If I select "Comment" it resets the image to "Nomination" regardless of its status. The expected behaviour is to add the comment without changing the status. --Tagooty 15:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Weak oppose Slightly underexposed, and visible noise even at 3 MP. --Plozessor (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</gallery>
  •  Oppose I don't understand this increasing trend towards exaggerated photo "improvements". The first image version was completely ok. Why did it have to be more colourful, more effective, more gaudy? What does this have to do with encyclopaedic photography? Of course, everyone here is free to make their photos look as pretty as they want according to the actual or perceived taste of the public, but I don't want to support that. This also applies to many smart phone photos. --Smial 10:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Per Smial, I don't want to support over edited pictures... --Sebring12Hrs 12:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Comment The Independence Monument is under copyright, anyway, and Ukraine has no commercial FoP, so this photo will have to be deleted in any of the versions. -- Ikan Kekek 21:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose → Declined   --C messier 17:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

File:VdA_square_rue_cezanne.jpg

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  • Nomination Public garden, Rue Cézanne, in Villeneuve d'Ascq, France --Velvet 08:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Promotion
     Oppose Image lacks depth. Would look better if taken from a higher angle. --Jay.Jarosz 15:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
     Support Ok to me. --Sebring12Hrs 19:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
    weak  Support Picture is halfway ok, but I can't imagine that you can't get better quality with a Sigma dp1 quattro. Looks like you just took the JPG from the camera instead of manually converting the raw file (which would give you options to brighten the shadows etc.). --Plozessor 13:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Hi Plozessor, thank you for your review. I'm not sure I understand your comment (in fact, the image is developed from the raw file). I've softened the shadows a bit, if that's what you mean.--Velvet 17:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Not sure if we're talking past each other. The picture (both the new and the old version) have dark areas that are pitch black. The raw file should have enough information to restore some details for these areas; in Adobe products this would be done by increasing "Shadows". --Plozessor 18:06, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Actually the new version is better, probably my browser loaded old version from cache. Sorry! --Plozessor 07:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support Good quality. -- Ikan Kekek 21:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose → Promoted   --C messier 17:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

File:Bronze_casting_at_Kunstgießerei_München_01_-_cropped.jpg

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  • Nomination Bronze casting at Kunstgießerei München → cropped (by Kritzolina) -- Radomianin 09:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Decline
  • The uncropped image is already QI. --XRay 09:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Comment Many thanks for your comment, that is correct. But additionally, the cropped version has been significantly improved in terms of noise and sharpening. Best, -- Radomianin 10:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I do see the possibility and also the necessity of nominating images developed in different ways separately (for example, a color and a black and white image of the same shot), but I find it very difficult to do so for a cropped photo. Even if there are additional improvements, it is not an independent development for me. I would expect better noise reduction at the source. --XRay 11:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for your insightful perspectives. Best regards, -- Radomianin 11:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I prefer to send the nomination to the discussion. A vote is required, but IMO in this case it hopefully should be allowed to send it to discussion without vote. --XRay 12:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Thank you for this constructive suggestion; it is certainly a good idea. Best, -- Radomianin 12:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Info Please see Commons_talk:Quality_images_candidates#Extracted_images_(origin_already_QI). --XRay 06:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support I'll review the photo independently of the original. --XRay 06:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Weak support No issue with the different versions. As with all shots from this series, they are of borderline quality, but this one seems sharp and detailed enough at 3 MP so supporting it. --Plozessor 10:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Really? Two almost identical images should not have separate QI-status. --Kallerna 20:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Different developments of the same image should not both be QIs. The original is already a QI, so this shouldn't be. If the original had a problem that prevented it from being promoted, and this image fixed that problem, this could have been promoted while the original was not. --Peulle 10:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose per Peulle.--Ermell 23:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose One QI per image. If one version is cropped and becomes better, than a switch is possible, but please, no addiotional noms of WB versions, cropped versions or denoised versions. Poco a poco 21:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose → Declined   --C messier 17:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

File:172_Kölner_Str._Düsseldorf,_Germany.jpg

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  • Nomination Building 172 Kölner Str. --Reda Kerbouche 10:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •  Oppose Low-quality smartphone picture, in my opinion not a QI. --Plozessor 19:56, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support Let's see what others think. --Sebring12Hrs 14:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Blurry, very low level of details --Jakubhal 18:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support Good enough. --Smial 08:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support per Smial. --MB-one 11:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Support. We shouldn't dismiss a photo as unusable because it was taken with a smartphone. -- Spurzem 22:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
*  Comment I don't want to dismiss it "because it was taken with a smartphone". I want to dismiss it because it has poor quality. (And it has poor quality because it was taken with a smartphone, though there are also some smartphone pictures with acceptable quality.) --Plozessor 06:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
*  Comment @User:Spurzem: Please do not exaggerate. If an image does not get promoted to QI, this does not mean that it is unusable. E.g., not even a single one among the top ten of my most heavily used photographs is a QI. At least one of them has less than 2 MP and #11 was recently denied QI status because someone found that it is not sharp enough in their opinion, whereas #12 is a QI. On the other hand, lots of quality images are not used outside Commons. And a QI of a frequently photographed subject or a wonderful closeup image may be much less usable than a rather average photo of a subject for which there are hardly any images on Commons or which illustrates a subject very well. --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose My standard comment for smartphone pictures: lacks details and looks overprocessed. There are some quite good smartphone pictures but this isn't one of them in my view. --Imehling 17:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Washed out colours. --Kallerna 20:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  •  Oppose Wrong side of the borderline to me: not sharp enough, in my opinion. -- Ikan Kekek 21:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Total: 4 support (excluding the nominator), 5 oppose → Declined   --C messier 17:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)